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Posted by UniBoffin at 00:00 on 30th May 2008 in UniBlog

The Spin Doctor

Now if I were a sensitive soul I could be fretting that the great darting public’s initially fairly active curiosity concerning the admittedly occasionally tedious subject of flight dynamics is waning somewhat. That is certainly one sadly poignant interpretation of the undeniable fact that, as I write, only Lonnie has posted a comment to my last blog.

Luckily, however, it befits a dedicated scientist to be blithely oblivious to any widespread indifference concerning their pet subject. I shall hence press on regardless and focus this little dissertation on Lonnie’s question about spin, as well as answering his previous one on soft-tip darts (posted too late for me to address last time). To the victor the spoils! (OK, if you want to be pedantic, to the only contestant the spoils!)

So, is spinning a dart when you throw it a good thing? Well, yes-ish. First of all, even a small amount of spin during flight (say just half-a-turn) will help to even out the intrinsic directional bias (non-axisymmetry is the technical term) in the aerodynamics of the flights. By this I mean that, even if the flights are perfectly set in the shaft with all the surfaces at right-angles, the amount of lift they provide will be slightly different (around 10%) depending on whether they’re in an “x” or a “+” configuration. If the dart didn’t spin at all, it would then make a noticeable difference to its yawing motion which way up it was held – and not many players would want to worry about that.

This evening out (that’s “evening out” as in “levelling”, not as in a couple of beers during a few games of 501 down the club and a dodgy burger on the way home) effect is yet more important given that, in the real world, (a) the flights’ surfaces won’t be precisely at right-angles to each other (b) the flights won’t precisely line-up with the shaft and (c) the shaft won’t be precisely straight and co-axial with the barrel.

Of course, these factors can be minimised by using top-quality darts and components, maintaining them properly, and changing them when they get a bit tatty, but they will still exist to some extent, even if this extent is almost unnoticeable to the human eye. Without spin, such asymmetries could still cause enough lift to throw a dart off-target. But, as I said, even a small amount of spin will mitigate these effects and not only will many players impart this automatically, without making a conscious effort, but some of the very flight lift asymmetries which can cause deviation can also help to reduce it by inducing an “aerodynamic rolling moment” which will make the dart (or just the flights assembly if a “spinner” type shaft is used) start to spin after it has left the hand.

However, if a player wants to minimise not only the lift deviation caused by, say, slightly bent flights, but also any consequent in-flight yaw angles and off-line impact of the point, spinning the dart deliberately as it is thrown can certainly help – and will be especially useful when using darts with high-lift flights. Which is why, Lonnie, you found that uniLab takes deliberate spin into account when recommending a set-up.

We can now also answer Lonnie’s further question on whether Sigma darts are suitable for players who impart deliberate spin. The short answer is yes, but with provisos.

In the One configuration, Sigmas have relatively high-lift flights and, as I’ve explained, could thus work even better for players who spin their darts. Even the performance of the much lower lift Pro set-up can slightly benefit from any deliberate spin, but not so much as conventional darts and hence one aspect of its accuracy advantages would be somewhat reduced.

Now for some rather more academic points about dart spin. Skip the next two paragraphs if you’re not feeling that technically-minded!

Despite what one might think, it should be noted that the advantages of spinning a dart are really nothing whatsoever to do with stabilising it. The spin rates involved and a dart’s “axial moment of inertia” (see my earlier “A Matter of Some Moment” blog) are both much too low to create the gyroscope effect which keeps a bullet (which is a “statically unstable, spin-stabilised projectile”) pointing the right way. Indeed, if dart spin rates were higher, they might actually start to have a de-stabilising effect as they would induce aerodynamic forces on the flights which could turn the normal “yaw damping” into yaw excitation, an effect known as “dynamic instability”.

To get really esoteric, it is also true that, even at low spin, these aerodynamic forces can create other dynamic problems such as “spin-yaw resonance”, which occurs when the spin rate is too close to the yawing rate. Fortunately, however, the flight path of a dart is too short for this to be much of a worry.

So, after that brief excursion into vaguely purposeless erudition, back to some rather more practical darting issues and the remaining answers to Lonnie’s questions – and also an apology. Yes, the 19gm Sigma soft-tip is indeed too heavy for some leagues, especially in the US – just blame the limey designer (sorry!). As to what would be the best 18gm substitute, can I suggest Lonnie bides his time for a while – say no more!

Finally, back on the topic of deliberately imparting spin, a word of warning: unless your darts are bent like bananas, it won’t really make that much difference and I wouldn’t recommend trying it (usually achieved using opposing vertical motions of the thumb and gripping fingers during release, Lonnie) unless it comes naturally to you – doing so could easily interfere with achieving that all-important clean release.

And talking about darts bent like bananas, let me sign off with a slight misquotation of Groucho Marx:

“Darts fly like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana”.

Hopefully see at least one of you again next time!

There are 6 comments to this post

Posted by Paul Bryant at 16:58 on 30th May 2008

Ah, Mr Boffin! Fear not, for you have at least one loyal and interested reader, even if I haven''t managed to submit a post before. Rest assured though that I have enjoyed all of your articles to date, the nerdier the better!
Regarding the current article, I''d be interested to know how curved flights affected overall dart aerodynamics and especially spin. (Curved so that the dart appears to have spiral arms not an X when viewed end-on).
I ask mainly as bending my flights in this fashion is one thing I''ve tried in my quest to reduce flight-blocking and I''m sure the math should be fun!
Cheers,
Paul

Posted by bob at 18:13 on 2nd June 2008

Hey there-

I did send a reply to the last blog, but it was only in the last couple days before you published this one. We still care, really!

I have to agree with your conclusion on the concept of applying intentional spin. Any time I haven''t seen anyone locally throwing a very spinny dart with great accuracy. It just seems too difficult to get the same release every time if you''re trying to impart spin.

Though tardy, I wanted to throw out a few of the comments I sent from last month which may lead to future topics.

I had suggested that it might be nice if one could tell the UniLab that you wanted to use nylon shafts and have it tell you which flight would be most aerodynamic. You questioned why I would have an allegiance to a particular shaft if it weren''t the best choice. My response is that aerodynamics aren''t the only thing that matters in the performance of a dart''s components.

Among other things, a barrel has to feel good in the hand. It has to have the right weight and balance. It has to have the right grip to provide the shooter with the best control of the release. The shape of the dart barrel can also factor into the deflection produced when struck by a second dart thrown to the same target. The shape of the dart''s nose can also impact its ability to get past the flight or shaft of a dart already in the bed.

It would be nice if the shafts were the right length and weight to match the rest of the components. It would also be great if all three shafts were identical. A shaft can also impact the result of a second or third dart thrown to the same target. It can catch or deflect the point of that second dart. It can have a top that allows the flight to spin away from contact. The shaft on the following dart can hold the flight firmly or allow it to pop off to minimize deflection. Finally, the shape and size of the shaft can also factor into the grip and release for some shooters.

Flight size and construction certainly are key to aerodynamics. A larger flight gives you more area where a following dart can be deflected. It can also impact the toss and eye as I think we heard in Phil Taylor''s experience with the Sigma Pro configuration.

I''m sure there are other factors I have left out. All of these performance factors must be weighed in selecting the right combination of components for any given shooter. Aerodynamics are very important, but it would be nice to be able to see how everything relates. Let''s say I have a set of John Part Hero 24g darts. I ask UniLab what would be best for my specs and it says I get a 97.26 match with a Checkout medium shaft and a Maestro X flight. Let''s say also that I prefer the feel of the short Gripper shaft in my hand or its performance in dealing with dart-to-dart collisions. It would be nice to plug in that shaft and see if the match drops a half percent or ten percent. It would also be nice to see if the Maestro flight is still the best aerodynamic choice after swapping the shaft out.

Your comments suggest that we may see a new configuration of Sigma for the soft tip crowd. Here''s hoping we might also see grippier steel tip alternatives in the next introduction as well.

Thanks!

Posted by Warren Ackary at 07:20 on 11th June 2008

G''Day uniBoffin! Sorry to seem like I had deserted my spot on the blog but have had other things of higher priority of late. Reading your above post and I find it interesting, I find at times I do see my dart spinning through the air towards the board (Lonnie I dont know if you do it on purpose but this may help but I dare say not as much as uniboffins advice)... I have found that when NOT concerntrating and just "throwing" I tend not to have my fingers positioned and my thumb ends up to one side and the darts "roll" off of my fingers.

This causes them to "spin" as they are going to the board, unfortunately for me and my hand I often dont have much control if just throwing, I have to put more work into my throw than most. Thats where the uniLab & uniBoffin come into thier own.

I must sound like Im babbling on but to me thats how my darts spin but also to get them into the board the flights do need to be small to lift.

Posted by Ole David Skallan at 06:29 on 21st June 2008

Speaking of spin, I am wondering if it is at all possible to make a dart that has no need of flights at all? Either the back half of the dart would spin or the shaft would spin like a gyroscope. I''m wondering how much (spinning) mass is required to stabilize the dart or how fast the shaft (gyroscopic effect)would have to spin? Is there a mathematic formula for this? I imagine it would sound similar to a dentist''s drill it would need to spin so fast! It would require an extremely small motor to fit inside the dart too.
What are the forces involved that want to make the end of the dart tumble and can it be overcome with just gyroscopic forces and no need of a dart flight?
Also, I don''t understand how a free-spinning flight keeps a dart stable. Why doesn''t the dart tumble?
Thank you, Mr. Skallan

Posted by Lonnie at 07:33 on 21st June 2008

uniBoffin, I would like to give this time and thank you for answering my questions that I had sent in. I am impressed with this website, along with the knowledge and the compassion to give insight to all the dart players around the world. I have learned a lot in the past couple of months visiting this site and continue ot show my patronage. Thanks again, Lonnie

Posted by Clarence at 19:28 on 23rd June 2008

Hello Mr. Boffin,

I have currently purchased the 19g Sigma Soft Tip darts and I''m very impressed with its true flight. Since the front taper of the dart isn''t as great as the steel version, what do u suggest for steel tips conversion points as I would like to use this great set of darts for both disciplines. Thanks, Clarence.

p.s. Any suggestions of adjustment from soft tip configuration to steel (I currently use the sigma titanium shafts with sigma pro flights) Thanks again!

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